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“The Walking Dead”

I was caught up somewhat with the AMC show “The Walking Dead! Waiting to find out who the dude with the barbed-wired baseball bat was going to “kill”! The hype was immense!
I am not watching this show again! I saw torture and evil in this broadcast! The producers already stated that people would be upset and they are correct! At least I am.
This world needs the love of Christ! Not the evil on AMC!

Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

God Bless

Brian Mason

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11 responses to ““The Walking Dead”

  1. After examining the Main Old Testament examples that you use to label God as unjust, it has been demonstrated that your criticisms and characterizations are baseless, and your understanding of the various situations flawed. You accuse God of being a testy, impatient, quick-tempered, and malevolent deity. But after a thorough study is just the opposite; God is portrayed as forgiving, patient, and slow to bring forth judgment. However, He is also revealed to be a holy, just, and righteous God who will bring justice about in His time. The God of the Old Testament matches the God of the New Testament.

    You may say that correcting your faulty view of God is not that important, quite the opposite is true. An accurate understanding of the nature and characteristics of God is paramount!
    It is true that the Bible contains graphic stories of sin, evil, and death and ones that you don’t personally agree with, but it also includes the enveloping glorious story of love, redemption and grace. It exhibits a God who asks us to not criticize Him about His acts of justice, but instead one who graciously encourages us to walk alongside Him and grieve over a world that has exploited the gift of freedom. The freedom that has given us to do wrong instead of right. When that happens, and God acts in His righteousness the world discovers that consequences exist for evil behavior, which is something the prophet Isaiah speaks to: “At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; for when the earth experiences Your judgments the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness” (Isaiah 26:9).

    So is the God of the Old Testament a merciless monster? After a thorough review of the facts, the evidence overwhelmingly demands an answer of ‘no.’
    I still pray for your Salvation. The Wrath of God will be inflicted on this world again as we dance down the pathway of corruption and slapping the face of God by doing things “Man’s Way”, and not “The Way”. Blaming God for His Justice will not buy you a minute of redemption!
    I will not publish your last comment as you have shown a vitriol spirit and insulting comments to me and my Lord. Your hatred toward God is steaming like a caldron and this is my blog by the way! I cannot help you, only the Holy Spirit can. This conversation is over. Timothy 2: 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
    Thank you for your comments to this point. I hope you get introspective.
    Brian

  2. “But for now, the reason I personally refrain from torturing babies for fun is the simple fact that I don’t find the prospect to be fun or the least bit good for anybody, hence, I don’t do it and never have. Exactly how much argument do I need to rationally justify the reason why I refuse to engage in acts that I don’t think are fun or beneficial?” I notice that you still will stay away from any objective moral statement. “I” “Personally.” Why would you not say it is universally wrong? You just answer with more questions!

    “You will say “but why don’t you find it fun in light of your presupposition that there’s no God?” Had I been born to retarded rejects of society and raised in criminally wretched circumstances where basic human rights as we know them today were routinely violated all throughout my childhood, I might think differently about the prospect of torturing babies.”
    Wow, now you know what I will say! What I say is we are all evil as scripture states.
    God Ordained and predestined evil to happen, however, it was man that committed the evil, the evil that man wanted to commit! It goes back to the Garden. Adam did not want paradise, he wanted his own way and chose unwisely. It is not entirely your “misinterpretation” of scripture; it is your context. God is not someone that is easily definable if He were He would not be God. God made us in His image. Not Man making God in his image or into a monster or the blue eyed surfer Jesus in a woman’s nightgown asking you to allow Him into your heart.
    You are acting exactly like a natural man would act. You hate God and will fight Him until you meet Him! I honestly do pray that you become elect, as the Wrath of God is not a laughing matter as you have clearly indicated!

  3. I think that your reactions have not been thought out so well.
    ———-Of course not, religion can create rose-colored glasses ex nihilo. It’s the same stuff that makes Mormons and Islamic terrorists so impossible to reason with.

    Especially, when you apply your morality and laws to that of our Creator.
    ———–Which begs the question of whether, when I critique the bible god, I’m critiquing a real deity, or critiquing just a figment of a bygone barbaric culture’s imagination. One might argue that the stark contradiction between the bloodthirsty Jehovah of the OT and the caring Jesus of the NT argues that even if God exists, the OT conception of him was warped to say the least.

    It is obvious by this scripture that God does not condone rape. Why does He allow it I find it a difficult question to answer, I will give you that,
    ————The bible does not merely say god “allows” rape. It also says that he CAUSES it to happen. See Isaiah 13:1-17, specifically v. 16-17. The same is taught in Deuteronomy 28:30, a verse I already cited to. Do you also “give” me the fact that your god “causes” rape? Or will you engage in the error of eisogesis and insist that bible verses crediting God as cause of evil, are “really” just saying he “allows” evil?

    However the scriptures you have offered me, God’s judgment was upon the Amalekites had a long tradition of aggression against God’s people that lasted a millennium! The Amalekites were seeking to destroy Israel. God was just!
    ————–The problem is that your god in Deuteronomy 28 becomes a raving lunatic far worse than any dictator or serial killer mankind has ever known, merely when and if Israel disobey him. Nobody has a problem with the idea of your god “disciplining” “his” people. What we have a problem with is your god thinking that the worst imaginable horrors that could ever happen to children, such as kidnapping and rape (Deuteronomy 28:30, 41) are something your god deems “fitting” to the “crime” of disobeying god. You don’t accept the “god’s-ways-are-mysterious” excuse when cultists and heretics hide behind it to get themselves out of a theological jam you’ve pointed out, so you don’t have moral or biblical justification to use it here to get away from what I’ve argued, either.

    Think of this…If I were to slap you in the face you may press assault charges on me. If you were to slap a Police officer in the face, you will be in bigger trouble. If you were to slap the face of the President of the US you would of course incur a greater charge and justice would be exercised. Now slapping the face of God you will receive His wrath.
    ————But am I slapping any real deity in the face when I critique the bible-god? Or am I just slapping the face of a figment in the imagination of a bygone and brutish culture?

    “I don’t need an objective standard to rationally justify my view that certain human acts are immoral”. Of course you do (maybe you don’t think so?)
    ———–I already gave you the reasons why subjective morality is entirely sufficient to justify me in calling certain human acts immoral, you’ve simply turned away from those arguments. I do not deny they are subjective and relative. I deny your absurd conclusion that any morality that is subjective and relative cannot justify one taking a stand on a moral issue. If I can show that criminalizing homosexuality would be good for this society, then I have a rationally justified basis to assert that this idea is probably better than the “diversity-at-any-cost” stupidity of the democratic left.

    but with that personal philosophy there would be no standard of morality.
    ————strawman, a subjective moral means the standard would be subjective, it does not mean a standard wouldn’t exist. For unknown reasons, you ceaselessly equate in your mind a non-existing morality with a subjective morality. I don’t see any absolute rule of the universe that imposes the same school night bedtime on children in America , do you? What time those kids should go to bed is the subject of raving disagreements and differences from parent to parent and from house to house. But what fool would say little Johnny can rationally and reasonably disobey the bedtime imposed by his own parents, solely because this bedtime proves to be an entirely subjective thing? Learn a lesson: morality does not have to be absolute, to rationally justify imposing it on others.

    Anyone could decide morality depending on the social constructs of the day.
    ————And we see nothing else but exactly that occurring every single day. You don’t have any absolute answer whatsoever to the problem of the states disagreeing on what the minimum age for marriage should be, yet you don’t foolishly tell others that because their respective states’ marriage and age-of-consent laws are subjective, young teens should feel free to disobey those laws.

    Christianity’s moral standard does not change.
    —————-Maybe that’s why Christians have been splintered for centuries on a whole range of issues starting from the first century on up to day, concerning such moral issues as birth control, gun control, whether to allow illegal immigrants to stay here, when it is permissible or not to divorce, whether or when to impose corporeal punishment on one’s children, whether slavery should be allowed, whether to get involved in secular government, etc, etc, etc., Mission Impossible: prove that the bible has the clear answer to all those issues, and Christian disagreement about them is simply due to sin and misunderstanding.

    How would you respond to this statement? “”It is always wrong for anyone to torture babies to death merely for their personal pleasure.”
    ———–My response is “God threatens to cause baby torture in his threats to enable the deeply sinful pagans to rape and kidnap children (Deuteronomy 28:30, 41), but then specifies that he will take “delight” in doing so just as much as he took “delight” (same word in Hebrew) to prosper them when they obeyed him (v. 63).

    According to you, the author of Psalm 137:9 was “inspired by God”, and therein expressed that he’d gain “happiness” at the thought of batting his captor’s children to death against rocks. Most Christian commentaries assert that it was Psalmist himself who hoped to inflict that gruesome fate on children, he was not simply remarking that somebody else would feel that way.

    Next time, don’t try to corner me with some sick sadistic lunacy until are SURE your god doesn’t “delight” and find “happiness” in such perverted things himself.

    But for now, the reason I personally refrain from torturing babies for fun is the simple fact that I don’t find the prospect to be fun or the least bit good for anybody, hence, I don’t do it and never have. Exactly how much argument do I need to rationally justify the reason why I refuse to engage in acts that I don’t think are fun or beneficial?

    You will say “but why don’t you find it fun in light of your presupposition that there’s no god?” Had I been born to retarded rejects of society and raised in criminally wretched circumstances where basic human rights as we know them today were routinely violated all throughout my childhood, I might think differently about the prospect of torturing babies. There’s no denying how malleable a young child’s mind is. They will imitate whatever they see their caretakers doing. Torturing babies for fun points toward extinction of our species since it makes life for them unbearable and helps ensure they will continue the process if they live. If animals and even insects care for their young without needing to think about god, there’s no reason why humans need to have god in their mind when we do the same, and nurture instead of torture our young.

    I suggest we deal with one specific bible verse you think I’ve misinterpreted, because, as must always be the case, an attempt to be thorough in our answers to every point made will just cause the discussion to get longer and longer.

  4. I think that your reactions have not been thought out so well. Especially, when you apply your morality and laws to that of our Creator.
    “I’m assuming that your god thinks rape is immoral given how he penalizes various forms of it in Deuteronomy 22”
    Deuteronomy 22: 25-27
    “”But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26″But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. 27″When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her,” (Deut. 22:25-27).
    It is obvious by this scripture that God does not condone rape. Why does He allow it I find it a difficult question to answer, I will give you that, however there was an underlying premise to it in Deuteronomy 25. However the scriptures you have offered me, God’s judgment was upon the Amalekites had a long tradition of aggression against God’s people that lasted a millennium! The Amalekites were seeking to destroy Israel. God was just!
    Think of this…If I were to slap you in the face you may press assault charges on me. If you were to slap a Police officer in the face, you will be in bigger trouble. If you were to slap the face of the President of the US you would of course incur a greater charge and justice would be exercised. Now slapping the face of God you will receive His wrath.
    “I don’t need an objective standard to rationally justify my view that certain human acts are immoral”. Of course you do (maybe you don’t think so?) but with that personal philosophy there would be no standard of morality. Anyone could decide morality depending on the social constructs of the day. Christianity’s moral standard does not change. How would you respond to this statement? “”It is always wrong for anyone to torture babies to death merely for their personal pleasure.”

  5. I can buy that God judges people for disobeying his laws.

    What I cannot buy is that a god can be “good” where he causes men to rape women/children.

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    “As an atheist, what do you see that is morally wrong? What is your objective standard to say God is wrong?”
    ——

    First, for purposes of this discussion, I’m assuming that your god thinks rape is immoral given how he penalizes various forms of it in Deuteronomy 22. The problem is your god’s idea of morality, I am not imposing my morality on the text. Unless you say god thinks rape and child molestation are good, then the problem of God causing people to do the very acts that He allegedly despises, remains a problem. Why exactly an atheist thinks such acts are immoral is quite beside the point. Your god makes people do the very acts that he says are sinful. THAT’S a problem.

    Second, I don’t need an objective standard to rationally justify my view that certain human acts are immoral. I call them immoral because of my DNA (I’m not overly aggressive or testosterone-fueled which makes men tend toward rape), and because of the way I was raised (sex should be consensual). Also, it just so happens that I desire to get along in my world with others, and I can see that goal falling apart at the seams should I choose to act contrary to what the vast majority of mature adults believe. All these reasons therefore sufficiently justify why I view morality the way I do.

    There is no absolute law of the universe decreeing bedtime for kids on a school night, yet nobody says kids should be legally allowed to disobey their parents’ subjectively imposed bedtime on the grounds that it’s merely subjective from house to house and parent to parent. Also, most of the mature adult world agrees with me that rape is immoral, what’s “normal” is the patterns perceived in the conduct of the majority of humans, so my view is also justified as “normal” without any need to ground it in a theistic context.

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    “It is true that the Bible contains graphic stories of sin, evil, and death. But it also includes the overarching grand story of love, redemption, and grace.”
    ——–

    Tell that to the Israelite kids after their God empowers the child-molesting child-sacrificing pagans to kidnap them into a life of sheer and absolute misery in Deuteronomy 28:41.

    —–
    “It showcases a God who asks us to not criticize Him about His acts of justice,”
    —–

    Sorry, but causing men to rape women and children (Deuteronomy 28), and forcing people to act in the way that you plan to eventually condemn them for (Ezekiel 38:4), is not “justice” at all. The fact that your god doesn’t want you questioning his ways is a strong argument that what he does cannot be found good under normal reasoning.


    ” but instead One who kindly encourages us to come alongside Him and grieve over a world that has misused the gift of freedom given it to do wrong instead of right.”
    ——

    So the way you overcome the sadistic lunacy of bible passages showing God forcing people to sin, is by avoiding it all and presenting me with bible teachings that aren’t quite as yucky?

    Your god certainly does appear to do things that are sinful by even his own standards, so the debate narrows to the question of whether unbelievers can rationally justify their belief that the god of the bible is, according to the story at least, a sadistic lunatic who denies that he is a sadistic lunatic.

  6. It is called God’s Judgment. God also wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah.
    “15 “But it shall come about, if you do not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: Deut 28:15
    This is clearly Judgment for disobedience to God’s Law.
    As an atheist, what do you see that is morally wrong? What is your objective standard to say God is wrong?
    It is true that the Bible contains graphic stories of sin, evil, and death. But it also includes the overarching grand story of love, redemption, and grace. It showcases a God who asks us to not criticize Him about His acts of justice, but instead One who kindly encourages us to come alongside Him and grieve over a world that has misused the gift of freedom given it to do wrong instead of right. When that happens, and God acts in His righteousness, the world discovers that consequences exist for evil behavior, which is something the prophet Isaiah speaks to: “At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; for when the earth experiences Your judgments the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness” (Isaiah 26:9).
    Thank you for your interest!
    God Bless You!

  7. Well Deuteronomy 28 contains God’s threat to cause rape (v. 31) and to cause the kidnapping of Israelite kids by pagans (v. 41) whom other bible passages indicate were child-molesters and child-sacrificers. I don’t see any moral difference between the Christian who thinks it’s ok to watch gore-fests on tv, and the Christian who thinks it’s ok to serve a god who enables rapists and pedophiles. It’s all bad ideas and we could spend our time better doing anything other than those two things.

    Deuteronomy 28 does not describe god as merely stepping out of the way and letting evil do what it naturally does. It describes him as CAUSING all those evils (see Ezekiel 38:4, the hook-in-jaws metaphor indicates Ezekiel did not believe God always respects human freewill), and since biblical inerrancy isn’t even taught in the bible, I don’t see your justification for presuming that there surely must be a way to reconcile this yucky stuff with other bible assertions about god being “good”.

    You are treating bible inerrancy as some untouchable icon of hermeneutics when you think that way, and this is irrational since even if the bible did teach inerrancy, the decades long disagreements of evangelicals about exactly inerrancy is and isn’t, certainly indicate the bible doesn’t teach it with clarity. As such, it’s at most one of those non-essentials that you must allow liberty of opinion on, which means you cannot automatically fault the person who refuses to presume inerrancy in the face of yucky stuff like Deuteronomy 28. We are not wrong to say that passage provides another side of God most Christians never knew existed until years after their “accepting Jesus”.

    I agree with Tom that entertainment is a blight on America, because its producers always feel the need to push the envelope, and we are certainly becoming desensitized to violence by reason of a media gone mad. It’s no longer about reporting “news”, its about what will get the highest ratings, and giving the most time to the stories picked by the highest bidder.

  8. Does that mean you think Deuteronomy 28:15-63 is unChristian?

  9. The show and many more of its ilk lure you into watching them. With “The Walking Dead,” for instance, it had some moral dilemmas and some good messages at first; however, it now has turned into a rabid gore-fest. I will not entertain that series anymore.

  10. Tom

    Thanks, Brian. My oldest son, an atheist, is a huge fan of the show. A while back he asked my wife and I to start watching the series beginning with the first episode. We had no idea what we were getting into so we watched it but I said never again. The violence turns my stomach. I’m a bit of a square peg though because the Lord used such films as “The Exorcist” and “The Omen” to draw me to Him (along with many other people and things). So I don’t sit in judgement of Christians who watch such stuff but I couldn’t make a steady diet of it. A lot of the entertainment today is desensitizing people to violence. And the producers and directors probably feel like they need to keep “pushing the envelope” to draw an audience.

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