Did You Know?: The Power Of The Pope And That Peter Was The First Pope?

* The new Catholic Catechism reads: “The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and the bishops in communion with him.”

As a Roman Catholic Pope follower, you are not allowed to interpret scripture! And from what I have read is that in the entire history of the Roman Catholic Church as little as eleven verses have been translated. This number could be a bit higher or lower.

Peter is recognized as the first Pope in Roman Catholic Dogma. However, Paul, John, Jude, or James in the epistles never refer to Peter as a Pope.
Conversely, Peter in his first epistle clearly says the opposite!

1 Peter 5: 1-2 (NASB) Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed, 2 shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;

He speaks as an elder, not as Pope.

Paul writes the order in structure of the Church in 1 Corinthians 12: 27-28 (NASB),

27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.

No mention of a Pope there either.

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God Bless

Brian Mason

10 thoughts on “Did You Know?: The Power Of The Pope And That Peter Was The First Pope?

  1. Sarah the Christian Gospel is Salvation through Grace, not works. You simply claimed that the RCC idea of salvation was NOT works. I showed you by your own catechism that that indeed is in error and the RCC is completely works-based. You typed ” I believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, the Death and Resurrection of our Lord, salvation and eternal life, and all the other things in the Creed that Christians have always believed. What gives you the right to say I’m not a Christian”? If you believe in Jesus without works added then you are a Christian no denial. Take away the works? Don’t believe you can. I left out the Ten Commandments, are you keeping them?
    If you believe in RCC Doctrine I fear for your salvation. Get angry! You should be.
    ” If you love Catholics, then why are you so ugly to them?” Is it love to let someone get run over by a train? Or should you warn them? I think the warning is greater love.
    When you look at the statue of Mary today, ask yourself, “Can she save me?”
    God Bless!

  2. You keep saying that the Catholic Church is not Christian, but that is not true. I believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, the Death and Resurrection of our Lord, salvation and eternal life, and all the other things in the Creed that Christians have always believed. What gives you the right to say I’m not a Christian?

    What is “clear fact” to you is wrong. Catholics DO NOT believe in “works’ salvation.” You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Can you not even read what it says that you’re quoting to me? It says that “NO ONE can merit initial grace.” We CAN’T merit initial grace. It’s only MOVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT (God) that we can merit anything at all. Only by grace! It says in 2011, “The charity of Christ is the SOURCE IN US OF ALL OUR MERITS before God. GRACE, by uniting us to Christ in active love, ensures the supernatural quality of our acts and consequently their merit before God and before men. The saints have always had a lively awareness that THEIR MERITS WERE PURE GRACE.” Pure grace! The free gift of God! “Our justification comes from the grace of God. GRACE IS FAVOR, THE FREE AND UNDESERVED HELP that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life” (1996).

    Our Lord says Himself that Baptism is necessary for salvation! Several times! “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5) “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:15-16). Where in Scripture do you get the idea that we can be saved without Baptism? Everybody who was saved in the Bible was baptized! St. Paul says “He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:5). Baptism is a gift of grace too, it’s not a work we have to do — it’s a work of grace the Holy Spirit does for us, washing away our sins and giving us a new life in Christ!

    And all of the other things you quote from the Catechism, I don’t understand at all why you are upset about them. They are all wonderful things! And I believe them all and love them all!

    And I have accepted God’s grace. And I love Him and walk with Him every day. What gives you the right to judge me and tell me I’m going to hell? If you love Catholics, then why are you so ugly to them?

  3. Where did I state I know more than the combined knowledge of all Christians? To begin with Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian. The RCC has a Gospel of Works Salvation.
    Sarah it is very apparent that you will not be able to defend the RCC Gospel. It is grossly un-biblical.
    I am NOT insulting you as you indicate. I am stating a clear fact that the RCC is works-based –salvation doctrine. Why do suggest this is a personal attack? For example:
    “No one can MERIT the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can MERIT for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods,” (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), par. 2027).
    “MERIT” for ourselves and for others all the graces need to attain eternal life.” You cannot merit grace. Grace is unmerited favor. Merit is, according to the CCC, par. 2006, “…the recompense owed by a community or a society for the action of one of its members, experienced either as beneficial or harmful, deserving reward or punishment…” CCC 2006. Meaning merit is something owed.
    This requires Baptism:
    977 – Our Lord tied the forgiveness of sins to faith and Baptism: “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved.” Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that “we too might walk in newness of life.”
    Baptism again:
    1257 – The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are “reborn of water and the Spirit.” God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
    The Sacraments for salvation: 1129 – The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. “Sacramental grace” is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior.

    1416 – Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant’s union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.
    1456 – Confession to a priest is an essential part of the sacrament of Penance: “All mortal sins of which penitents after a diligent self-examination are conscious must be recounted by them in confession, even if they are most secret and have been committed against the last two precepts of the Decalogue; for these sins sometimes wound the soul more grievously and are more dangerous than those which are committed openly.” When Christ’s faithful strive to confess all the sins that they can remember, they undoubtedly place all of them before the divine mercy for pardon. But those who fail to do so and knowingly withhold some, place nothing before the divine goodness for remission through the mediation of the priest, “for if the sick person is too ashamed to show his wound to the doctor, the medicine cannot heal what it does not know.”
    1468 – “The whole power of the sacrament of Penance consists in restoring us to God’s grace and joining us with him in an intimate friendship.” Reconciliation with God is thus the purpose and effect of this sacrament. For those who receive the sacrament of Penance with contrite heart and religious disposition, reconciliation “is usually followed by peace and serenity of conscience with strong spiritual consolation.” Indeed the sacrament of Reconciliation with God brings about a true “spiritual resurrection,” restoration of the dignity and blessings of the life of the children of God, of which the most precious is friendship with God.
    1471 – The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.” “An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin.” The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.
    I can go on and on….

    I know you don’t believe me but I love and pray for all Roman Catholics. I am not saying there are no true believers within the RCC, but the ones that believe the RCC Doctrines. They are going to hell! Why not take the FREE GIFT of GRACE that we have been offered?
    God Bless

  4. Yes I accept that! If the Church Jesus established has taught me what the Scripture means, why would I WANT to contradict that? The Church is the “pillar and bulwark of truth” (1 Timothy 3:15)! Jesus said he who hears the Apostles hears Him! If I think the Scripture means something different than what the Church has been teaching it means since the time of the Apostles, then clearly I must be wrong, not the Church! What makes you think YOU know more than the combined knowledge of all Christians?

    Again, you are misreading what it says if you think the Church has only interpreted 5 or 6 passages. That is NOT what it says. The questioner asks if the Church has only interpreted 5 or 6 passages, and Catholic Answers writes back, NO, that’s not true, “Anytime the Church rejects a heresy or defines a doctrine, it’s interpreting the biblical message.” The Church has been giving authoritative teachings about Scripture for 2,000 years, in literally hundreds or thousands of documents and teachings. Just look in the back of the Catechism. It gives a table of all the Bible verses it cites in official teachings. Literally hundreds of them, like almost every verse in the Bible! And every time it cites one, that’s an official interpretation of the Magisterium! And then it gives a list of all the official Church documents it cites from all the councils and all the popes, and every one of those was an official interpretation of Scripture too!

    Okay, now you are just insulting me. I do not have a “works based salvation.” There is nothing about my beliefs that says salvation is based on works or that I must be perfect before I can get to heaven. You clearly don’t understand what Catholics believe AT ALL. And I don’t think you understand the Bible either.

  5. Sarah, my original post stated “as a pope follower you are not allowed to interpret scripture” Catholic Answers as you would like to quote states:
    “There is no conflict between the work of exegetes, scholars, and believers in exploring the meaning of Scripture, on the one hand, and the work of the magisterium in authentically defining the meaning of Scripture, on the other hand. Exegetes and believers must not pit their private judgment against the mind of the Church or treat their methods as the ultimate arbiters of what Scripture can or cannot mean (this is what is meant by “private interpretation”). But that doesn’t mean that ordinary Catholics and Scripture scholars cannot use their intellects to probe the meaning of Scripture. Indeed, Scripture is so rich that even when a given passage has been connected authoritatively with a certain doctrine, that does not remove that passage from the sphere of scientific or devotional inquiry. We can interpret and explore Scripture, just not in a way that contradicts what has been defined concerning it”.
    In a nutshell what you said was true, that you “can” interpret scripture, however you better not go against what the pope and bishops have already interpreted. Again as it says above “We CAN interpret and explore Scripture, just not in a way that contradicts what has been defined concerning it”. You accept this?
    Seriously, do you think that 5 or 6 passages interpreted are enough? Let’s say 100 passages? In 1800 years would be 18/year and that is WAY more than have been interpreted! LOL Surely this is a joke? There is 31,103 verses in the Bible!
    Sarah I can see you are having trouble coming to terms with your WORKS BASED SALVATION. Please repent and follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Do not follow a pope. Follow Jesus. The RCC Gospel is different than the Gospel Jesus brought us. Jesus brought a Gospel of free Grace. The pope gives you a Gospel of works and you must be in perfection before you can get to heaven. Celebrate a Savior that has risen and before he died he said “It Is Finished!
    This is why I left the RCC.
    God Bless

  6. Well then I’m really confused. You say that Catholics aren’t allowed to interpret Scripture, because the Magisterium interprets it authentically, but then you say that the Magisterium has never actually interpreted Scripture? Who interprets Scripture then? And how does that mean that Catholics aren’t allowed to?

    The thing you cited from Catholic Answers doesn’t say that the Magisterium only interpreted five or six verses anyway, that was what the question said, but the answer said that’s not true, that every time the Church rejects a heresy or defines a doctrine it’s interpreting Scripture. But that doesn’t mean that Catholics aren’t allowed to interpret Scripture! We are!

    Jesus came to this earth to found a Church for our salvation, so through the Church the manifold wisdom of God might be known (Eph 3:10), and so through His Body the Church we might be saved (Eph 5:23-27, 2:16, Col 1:18-23). The Church isn’t just an organization, it’s the Body of Christ through which He saves us — and yes the Body is an organism with many parts and a hierarchy, all working together (1 Cor 12:12-26, Rom 12:4-8, Eph 4:1-16). And yes Jesus is the cornerstone, but He built the Church on the foundation of the apostles and prophets (Eph 2:19-21).

    And no St. Peter doesn’t disappear! He wrote two letters! St. Paul was busy doing his own thing, but he still listened to St. Peter when it came to deciding doctrine (Acts 15). Jesus was very clear that St. Peter was the pastor over His flock (John 21:15-19) just as Peter urged his fellow presbyters (bishops) to be good shepherds (pastors) over their flock (1 Peter 5:1-5).

  7. Thanks for your comment Sarah,
    Three quarters through your reply you state “So it is silly to think that Catholics aren’t supposed to read and interpret Scripture!”
    I have never said that it is silly to think they should not read or interpret scripture; “they” would be silly NOT TO read or interpret scripture. That is the crux of my article. I am glad you interpret scripture, no argument
    Actually it turns out that the RCC has only interpreted 5 or 6 passages! Wow!
    Here is what Catholic Answers tells me about the amount of passages…

    A Catholic Bible scholar says that at best the Church has defined the interpretation of five or six passages of Scripture, perhaps not even that. If this is so, what’s the big deal about Catholics having a magisterium to interpret the Bible? Outside of the interpretation of these six verses or so, what use is it?
    The magisterium’s usefulness with respect to interpreting Scripture isn’t based on how many definitive interpretations of individual biblical texts it has rendered. Anytime the Church rejects a heresy or defines a doctrine, it’s interpreting the biblical message, even if the sense of no particular passage is defined.
    Do you get the sense that Jesus came to this earth to start an organization? I mean Peter simply disappears from the Bible as Paul basically writes it all from there without a single word of Peter being the pope, or bishop whatever.
    1 Corinthians 3:11 (NASB95)
    11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
    The only foundation is Jesus, not Peter.

    God Bless

  8. Uhhhhh… that’s not right. I think you are misunderstanding what that means. The key word is “authentically.” Anybody who wants to can interpret Scripture! I do it all the time! What it means about the pope and the Magisterium is that it’s the job of the Magisterium to interpret Scripture authoritatively when there’s a question about what something means.

    Look just a little later in the Catechism! Look at 109-114! It says “Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written,” and then it talks about the ways to interpret Scripture correctly! Would it say all of that in the Catechism if the people weren’t supposed to interpret Scripture?

    And then look at 133! “The Church ‘forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful … to learn ‘the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ’ (Phil 3:8), by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. ‘Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.’ ”

    So it is silly to think that Catholics aren’t supposed to read and interpret Scripture!

    And what do you mean as little as eleven verses have been translated? The Catholic Church has made whole Bible translations, like five or six of them, and the first Catholic Bible in English is even older than the King James Version!

    And uhhh… an “elder” (presbyter or priest) was the same thing as a bishop in the time of the Bible (see Titus 3:5 and 7). So saying Peter was an “elder” is the same thing as saying he was a “bishop,” and that’s all the pope is, the bishop of Rome.

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